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Post by ermahgerds4real on Dec 4, 2014 12:02:44 GMT
However, i believe this drama could be entirely avoided if you didn't use your sponsor link to register other accounts. Or I probably should have just hidden it by removing the followers, like all the other people who registered alt accounts with their sponsor link... Eff me for being honest..
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Post by ballparkfrank on Dec 4, 2014 14:27:30 GMT
Probably you should have 'hidden it,' as you just said. And, by removing the followers, that would also have removed any bonus, associated with those 100+ 'sponsored' accounts.
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Post by ermahgerds4real on Dec 4, 2014 14:47:41 GMT
Probably you should have 'hidden it,' as you just said. And, by removing the followers, that would also have removed any bonus, associated with those 100+ 'sponsored' accounts. Yes, I should have been deceitful, like all the other players using sponsor links with their alt/bot accounts... And No, when you unfollow a sponsored team, you still get bonuses.... I know that because I see teams who do it bragging about it in their matches all the time.. Just like I see people bragging about using scripts to exploit glitches in the market.. but they don't get in trouble because Ermah Gerds is being honest about the Ninjas.. Just like I see people using their alts accounts to support their mains in matches,. but they don't get in trouble because Ermah Gerds is being honest about the Ninjas.. Just like I see people in top-tier matches getting 20+ supporters even though there's 4 players in chat and their excuse is "Oh, I have lots of twitter followers/IRC friends, teehee".. but they don't get in trouble because some petty children are too worried about Ermah Gerds and the Ninjas that aren't breaking any rules whatsoever.. By the way ballparkfrank, help me out here.. you keep talking about transparency and openness, but I've been unable to find your post where you detail which teams are yours... 'Cause when you accuse me of "hiding" information via not posting it up-front, one would think you'd have done the same, else you'd be a major hypocrite.. ...... oh, here's a little conversation I snagged: [3:45:04 PM] The BIG Balls i'll stay neutral
[3:45:11 PM] The BIG Balls gl!
[3:45:30 PM] The Boötes Void ill stay neutral to
[3:45:33 PM] The Boötes Void ^^^^
[3:45:37 PM] The BIG Balls
[3:46:15 PM] The Boötes Void not that i have any chance even with sups
[3:46:18 PM] The Boötes Void xD
[3:46:37 PM] The BIG Balls come on! you must believe!
[3:46:39 PM] The BIG Balls
[3:49:23 PM] The Boötes Void i guess he is on auto play
[3:49:25 PM] The Boötes Void xDD
[3:49:59 PM] The BIG Balls or he clicked ready 5h ago
[3:50:30 PM] The Boötes Void ready to play you mean
[3:50:32 PM] The Boötes Void xDDD
[3:50:43 PM] The Boötes Void his daily match
[3:51:02 PM] The Boötes Void he is stronger anyway
[3:51:13 PM] The BIG Balls so if he isn't there...
[3:51:20 PM] The BIG Balls i will supp you
[3:52:10 PM] The Boötes Void to bad i dont have ampli atm
[3:53:11 PM] Vertigo
[3:53:16 PM] The BIG Balls Vert
[3:53:26 PM] The BIG Balls so i'll be neutral now, lol
[3:53:37 PM] Vertigo do what you like^^
[3:53:47 PM] The Boötes Void did you made the script that can catch high level neurons if they go trough the market ?
[3:54:16 PM] Vertigo long time ago. never actually used it though. gave it to admins
[3:54:28 PM] The BIG Balls is alle plastic free? lol
[3:54:46 PM] Vertigo that was the idea, cobra team and me thought of it ages ago
[3:54:47 PM] The Boötes Void somebody is using it i talked with Cobra about it he told me about it
[3:55:03 PM] Vertigo if it would be possible to catch taht bot if barca transfered it, when barca was cheating all day every day
[3:55:19 PM] Vertigo so i made it ages ago in case things his cheating got worse
[3:55:26 PM] The Boötes Void haha
[3:55:27 PM] The Boötes Void nice
[3:55:41 PM] Vertigo so if he ever transfered it i would instabuy and instasell to the bin
[3:56:11 PM] Vertigo never ever actualyl ran it though, just had it set up to watch the market for high level bots, so watched cobra send his bots and things
[3:56:25 PM] Vertigo pretty sure i saw cassio at some point sending some around
[3:56:37 PM] Vertigo but yeah, gave all that to the admins so they can do what they like with the info
[3:57:06 PM] Vertigo was sorta like a doomsday machine script
[3:57:29 PM] The Boötes Void o yeah
[3:57:43 PM] Vertigo barca's cheating was getting beyond a joke so thought i would put an end to some of that nonsense if he tried to make it worse
[3:58:02 PM] Vertigo barca has his own market script anyways
[3:58:26 PM] Vertigo hes got it monitoring every bot ever bought and sold, what teams they were at, where they are now, all their stats of the bots, etc
[3:58:36 PM] Vertigo or at least he did for some weeks
[3:58:57 PM] The BIG Balls lol
[3:59:27 PM] The BIG Balls did you try to break barca password?
[3:59:39 PM] Vertigo no lolBut Ermah Gerds manually running the Ninjas is a big, huge problem that needs to be taken care of immediately, huh?
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Post by ballparkfrank on Dec 4, 2014 15:24:10 GMT
From Ermah's post: "Yes, I should have been deceitful, like all the other players using sponsor links with their alt/bot accounts...
And No, when you unfollow a sponsored team, you still get bonuses.... I know that because I see teams who do it bragging about it in their matches all the time..
Just like I see people bragging about using scripts to exploit glitches in the market.. but they don't get in trouble because Ermah Gerds is being honest about the Ninjas..
Just like I see people using their alts accounts to support their mains in matches,. but they don't get in trouble because Ermah Gerds is being honest about the Ninjas..
Just like I see people in top-tier matches getting 20+ supporters even though there's 4 players in chat and their excuse is "Oh, I have lots of twitter followers/IRC friends, teehee".. but they don't get in trouble because some petty children are too worried about Ermah Gerds and the Ninjas that aren't breaking any rules whatsoever..
By the way ballparkfrank, help me out here.. you keep talking about transparency and openness, but I've been unable to find your post where you detail which teams are yours... 'Cause when you accuse me of "hiding" information via not posting it up-front, one would think you'd have done the same, else you'd be a major hypocrite.."
*** 1-I've never seen anyone brag about still receiving bonuses after unfollowing a self-sponsored team - which tends to make me think the only reason you mention that is from experience in still receiving them... 2-Your conspiracy theories seem to continue with you referring to players 'bragging' about scripts used in the Market... 3-To my knowledge, a verified team can follow another team as long as the IP address is different. Meaning someone could be logged into one team via phone, and another on PC. And, that was never even mentioned as an issue, except by you in that last post. 4-As for the 20+ supporters, I have yet to see such a thing, except the same day when your account(s) (all 100+) had been removed by the admins. That was when coincidentally several teams which it sounds like you have a grudge against started playing matches where 15-20 unlogged viewers were 'watching' a match. An implication that you were behind such activity? Yes, indeed. It did seem strange that only teams you had started berating (for whatever reason) were affected. As well as a couple of phantom teams that strangely started following their teams - though they were reported to the admins, who took action by removing those ghost teams. 5-As for transparency and openness, when I have questions about whether something is legal or ethical, I'll ask. A trait which you apparently have yet to acquire. As for my teams, I've not hidden anything within the game, unlike yourself. Outside the game - what you see is what you get. 6-Nice 'screen shot' - and you of course reported such activity immediately to the admins, being the fine, upstanding player that you are (pretending to be)? No date? Since you were apparently viewing that match, why didn't you come forward with that information? Unless, of course, you're merely spouting bile after being found out for what you really are.
Oh, and have a nice day.
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Post by ermahgerds4real on Dec 4, 2014 15:57:23 GMT
1-I've never seen anyone brag about still receiving bonuses after unfollowing a self-sponsored team - which tends to make me think the only reason you mention that is from experience in still receiving them... 2-Your conspiracy theories seem to continue with you referring to players 'bragging' about scripts used in the Market... 3-To my knowledge, a verified team can follow another team as long as the IP address is different. Meaning someone could be logged into one team via phone, and another on PC. And, that was never even mentioned as an issue, except by you in that last post. 4-As for the 20+ supporters, I have yet to see such a thing, except the same day when your account(s) (all 100+) had been removed by the admins. That was when coincidentally several teams which it sounds like you have a grudge against started playing matches where 15-20 unlogged viewers were 'watching' a match. An implication that you were behind such activity? Yes, indeed. It did seem strange that only teams you had started berating (for whatever reason) were affected. As well as a couple of phantom teams that strangely started following their teams - though they were reported to the admins, who took action by removing those ghost teams. 5-As for transparency and openness, when I have questions about whether something is legal or ethical, I'll ask. A trait which you apparently have yet to acquire. As for my teams, I've not hidden anything within the game, unlike yourself. Outside the game - what you see is what you get. 6-Nice 'screen shot' - and you of course reported such activity immediately to the admins, being the fine, upstanding player that you are (pretending to be)? No date? Since you were apparently viewing that match, why didn't you come forward with that information? Unless, of course, you're merely spouting bile after being found out for what you really are. Oh, and have a nice day. 1 - I see it quite often.. When people are playing against the Ninja teams, they seem to assume that there's nobody on the other side watching, and they tend to say things amongst themselves that they normally wouldn't.. I've not tried it, and I can't now, but I'm sure you would have no problem creating a test account to try it out.. I would do it if I could, but I can't access anything related to the game other than the home screen and the matches at the bottom of it.. 2 - I provided you with a transcript of a conversation doing just that.. I'm not sure why you ignored it.. Does this mean you condone the activities Vertigo was speaking about? 3 - Yes, I am aware that you can login to your alt account on your phone to support your main team on your PC or tablet, but that doesn't excuse the behavior of using your alts to provide support that otherwise wouldn't be available.. 4 - If you haven't seen such occurrences prior to my banning, then you are in the minority.. I suppose that means you didn't hear about the accusation levied against me prior to the banning.. The accusations that I was "setting up Canada" over thanksgiving by creating 20+ invisible supporters to support canadian teams? I wasn't near a PC over the thanksgiving holiday, but that didn't stop people from accusing me of it.. because, apparently, having the Ninja accounts = creating invisible supporters.. I also find it odd that I'm now being accused of "targeting" teams I have a grudge against after I've been banned when I have no way of logging into the game to find the matches of those I'm supposedly targeting... Are you saying that I'm somehow telepathically guessing which matches are being played and directing phantom supporters to those matches? How's that work? EDIT: Furthermore, this is the first I'm even hearing of there being phantom supporter "attacks" against teams I supposedly have a "grudge" with in retaliation of my being banned.. It sounds to me like someone is taking advantage of the situation and not knowing that I can't even see who's playing whom unless it's shown on the bottom of the neuronball home page... Who are these "phantom teams" that I'm supposedly the creator of? 5 - I've hidden nothing at all, yet you still haven't said what your teams are.. There's not a single post from you on this forum identifying your team(s).. What are you hiding? 6 - It's not a screenshot.. As far as I know, there's no easy way to screenshot an entire conversation from a match if it scrolls past the margins.. If you know of a way, please share it! No, I didn't report it.. I believe in the players working out problems with each other, especially when it's concerning things that aren't covered in the Rules or Terms of Service, instead of making shit up about people and crying to the Admins when you don't get your way or you don't like how someone plays.. There aren't dates on the chat, I don't believe there's even any way to turn those on.. I've not lied about anything I've said, unlike you.. But I can understand how someone who's dishonest would have a hard time believing other people.. Thanks! you too!
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Post by ra2lover on Dec 4, 2014 17:05:02 GMT
The point isn't hiding sponsored teams, but simply not sponsoring them at all. IMO you should be able to play with multiple accounts - but only as long as they don't interact with eachother in any way: neither market, nor non-friendly match-staging, nor supporting, nor sponsoring.
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Post by ermahgerds4real on Dec 4, 2014 17:10:41 GMT
The point isn't hiding sponsored teams, but simply not sponsoring them at all. IMO you should be able to play with multiple accounts - but only as long as they don't interact with eachother in any way: neither market, nor non-friendly match-staging, nor supporting, nor sponsoring. I understand and respect your opinion.. And I mostly agree with you, except for the part about sponsorship and being able to sell bots you've trained among your alt teams... I 100% agree with you about not using them to support your own teams though.. I also agree with you about match-staging among alts, and while I can see(and have seen) people intentionally matching with their alts, it sometimes happens purely by accident and there's not a whole lot you can do about it.. The issue, however, is that none of that is against the rules.. So why am I being punished?
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Post by Vertigo on Dec 4, 2014 18:51:21 GMT
good luck in the future, take care
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Post by quadrophenia on Dec 5, 2014 17:43:31 GMT
There is no rules, but there are (we see it by experience) :
The things you can do : Play with multiple account, exchange neurons between them (farming)
The things you cannot do : use sponsor bewteen them, play against you very often (Cobra was blocked for this), use proxy to support yourself, use script...
Take care, do you want an account or it's your IP who is blocked ?
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Post by ermahgerds4real on Dec 5, 2014 19:09:02 GMT
There is no rules, but there are (we see it by experience) : The things you can do : Play with multiple account, exchange neurons between them (farming) I used multiple accounts, everyone know that, lots of people do to.. I exchanged neurons between accounts early on to raise credits for my main, but that became pointless after a few times.. I disagree about the sponsor thing since so many other people do it without getting punished.. Why was I? Was it because I was honest about it? Cobra may have been blocked, but he certainly seems to be active now, with all his accounts... I don't use proxies, or scripts.. I couldn't use proxies on my crappy little laptop anyway, I can barely run 3 windows supporting my own match and 2 other friends at the same time as it is.. I've provided evidence of other people scripting, and talking about proxies and setting up matches between alts, and I got ridiculed for it.. I won't lie and say that I've never played a match against one of my alts.. it's unavoidable sometimes, especially when you have all your alts set on auto-play and you've been waiting on a match for over half an hour.. I've never done it on purpose though.. Thanks for the offer, but I think it's based on IP.. I tried logging into an account I made way back in august(Striker Strikers) and haven't used more than a couple of times since.. As soon as I logged in and attempted to start a match it booted me to the main screen and said the account was disabled.. Someone also forwarded me the email that went out today, the "happy december" email. I'm assuming they think I'm the one who was making all the invisible supporters, which is odd for a number of reasons.. 1 being the crappy PC I have and 2 being the fact that I can't even access the game to "target" teams to "discredit"... Sorry to bother everyone with this drama... It's been made clear to me by most of you, and the Devs(in follow up emails) that they just want to use me as the scapegoat for whatever issue certain people have with the allowance of anonymous supporters.. Giles told me to just leave... So I will.. I had hoped that one of my Ninja teams would have won enough matches to accrue enough Fast Chargers to keep playing matches for a week, or maybe 2 after I had passed, but I guess I can kiss that dream goodbye.. I'll logout now and not come back.. you guys can feel free to keep saying mean things about me and blaming me for everything bad in the game.. I won't reply
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