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Post by quadrophenia on Oct 31, 2015 22:14:25 GMT
Motivation is very important for the performance of your neurons
At 80% you will loose the equivalent of 2-3 levels for your neurons, at 110% you get 1-2 level more.
Motivation will stay at 80% if a neuron never play
or each match you will get approximativly (less than) 10% of the NWL in more or less (maybe it depends of the total number of bots, i don't know)
For instance you had 850 NWL, you win and have now 880 => +30 NWL more will give 3% to ALL your neurons (even those who didn't play)
Neuron attribute, stats, playing the match or not, doesn't improve more the motivation.
The problem is the 110% barrier
For instance you are at your real NWL level ie 850 (=> number of win = number of lose) with 110% you win 30, you stay at 110, you lose 30 => you recover your real level of 850 NWL, but motivation is decreased by 3% !
Study to be continued, and corrected (the english too) by all your remarks !
thanks to Cyberdyne for help
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Post by Bendered on Nov 1, 2015 7:11:13 GMT
I personally do not think it works like this exactly, the amount of levels lost/gained doesn't seem right, also the gain and loss of motivation doesn't seem correct either. When low motivation, my goalie becomes weaker than a simple 3 level loss would explain. I'd estimate he loses more than 30 points of strength alone not counting the changes to speed and accel. Also the loss and gain of motivation seems to vary going down and going up. Seems to lose motivation twice as fast as you gain it. At least until you hit 100 motivation which is the middle point.
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Post by Bendered on Nov 1, 2015 7:21:52 GMT
I don't have any proof how this works but my opinion on how it works is this. I believe at 80% motivation your bots are running at 80% of their stats headquarters adjusted stats. So look at the hq modified stats and multiply it by your motivation. .8 - 1.1 multiplier. But even this formula seems weaker than what appears to happen, so I'm not sure really.
Not sure what motivation does for gaining and losing but you do appear to lose 3% of 110 dropping to 107 after one loss, but the losses seem to diminish the closer to 100 you get. Gains never seem to be over 1% a win from my observations. Draws affect motivation as well, just less so. No idea the specifics on draws however.
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Post by quadrophenia on Nov 4, 2015 13:40:37 GMT
i continue to study it, i think you are right about how the motivation is running (all stats *0.8) but we cannot be sure about that
but my studies confirm than it is dependant of the NWL you get in more or less
at NWL 100 you can get 22 at the max => motivation max = +2% at NWL 100 you cannot lose NWL => i have tested with Born to Lose, and the motivation stay at 100% after N loses, at N+1 i win +13 NWL => 113, the motivation is at 101% everywhere, second win i get 22 => motivation at 103% (and you can see it by ALL testings of the 2 first win)
for motivation falling the problem is the 110% barrier (bis ^^)
at high NWL you can get more, sometimes motivation can grow/fall by 3%, specially if you lose against lower NWL than you => you can get -25 NWL
i am trying now to understand how NWL is working to understand how motivation does.
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Post by quadrophenia on Nov 4, 2015 13:54:45 GMT
Another problem (a bug ?) is the non playing neuron since the beginning, tested by Pink Furious. The "never playing neuron"=NPN get the same motivation than others, but NEVER LOSE some ! So at the end i have 102% of motivation everywhere, except on the NPN who stay at 110% Ok it is not very usefull to have 110% of motivation on a neuron which never play, but it is an information
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Post by quadrophenia on Nov 4, 2015 16:02:48 GMT
From Bendered formula, let's see the equivalence level table for differents motivations : level | total attributes | 80% motiv | équiv level
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1 | 45 | 36 | 0,1 | 49,5 | 1,45 | 2 | 55 | 44 | 0,9 | 60,5 | 2,55 | 3 | 65 | 52 | 1,7 | 71,5 | 3,65 | 4 | 75 | 60 | 2,5 | 82,5 | 4,75 | 5 | 85 | 68 | 3,3 | 93,5 | 5,85 | 6 | 95 | 76 | 4,1 | 104,5 | 6,95 | 7 | 105 | 84 | 4,9 | 115,5 | 8,05 | 8 | 115 | 92 | 5,7 | 126,5 | 9,15 | 9 | 125 | 100 | 6,5 | 137,5 | 10,25 | 10 | 135 | 108 | 7,3 | 148,5 | 11,35 | 11 | 145 | 116 | 8,1 | 159,5 | 12,45 | 12 | 155 | 124 | 8,9 | 170,5 | 13,55 | 13 | 165 | 132 | 9,7 | 181,5 | 14,65 | 14 | 175 | 140 | 10,5 | 192,5 | 15,75 | 15 | 185 | 148 | 11,3 | 203,5 | 16,85 | 16 | 195 | 156 | 12,1 | 214,5 | 17,95 | 17 | 205 | 164 | 12,9 | 225,5 | 19,05 | 18 | 215 | 172 | 13,7 | 236,5 | 20,15 | 19 | 225 | 180 | 14,5 | 247,5 | 21,25 | 20 | 235 | 188 | 15,3 | 258,5 | 22,35 | 21 | 245 | 196 | 16,1 | 269,5 | 23,45 | 22 | 255 | 204 | 16,9 | 280,5 | 24,55 | 23 | 265 | 212 | 17,7 | 291,5 | 25,65 | 24 | 275 | 220 | 18,5 | 302,5 | 26,75 | 25 | 285 | 228 | 19,3 | 313,5 | 27,85 | 26 | 295 | 236 | 20,1 | 324,5 | 28,95 | 27 | 305 | 244 | 20,9 | 335,5 | 30,05 | 28 | 315 | 252 | 21,7 | 346,5 | 31,15 | 29 | 325 | 260 | 22,5 | 357,5 | 32,25 | 30 | 335 | 268 | 23,3 | 368,5 | 33,35 |
How to use this table : you have a 16 level neuron with 100% of motivation, it may beat a 21 level neuron with 80% de motiv, but be beaten by a 14 level neuron with 110% with 110% of motivation this neuron may aproach level 18 with 100% and may beat level 23 with 80% you have a 21 level neuron with 100% of motivation, it may beat a 27 level neuron with 80% de motiv, but be beaten by a 19 level neuron with 110% with 110% of motivation this neuron may aproach level 23-24 with 100% and may beat level 30 with 80% (of course the playfield of your HQ may improve more or less these results)
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